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MOM AGAINST SERIAL PEDOPHILE
By eiram48 | Posted 13 hours ago | port huron, Michigan

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-720329

So it appears this might be a good place for YOU to tell YOUR story.  Details here-

http://ireport.cnn.com/welcome-to-ireport.jspa

Oklahoma DHS Commission votes to settle lawsuit

Oklahoma DHS commissioners met through the evening Tuesday discussing a proposed settlement of a federal class-action lawsuit over care of children.
BY NOLAN CLAY AND RANDY ELLIS
Published: December 21, 2011

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-dhs-commission-votes-to-settle-lawsuit/article/3633698

I left a nice comment there-

So CPS business continues as usual. Nothing is going to be "fixed". Nobody gets fired, nobody goes to prison for their Federal Crimes against families (several of which are Capital crimes)

http://familyrights.us/bin/CPS_violates_these_every_case.htm

The solution is to make REAL actual child abuse a CRIME to be investigated by REAL investigators and prosecuted in REAL courts of Constitutional Due Process- http://exm.nr/sPoojI

- and get rid of the officious, incompetent, malfeasant Color of Law Organized Crime farce that CPS is because it should never have existed in America.

The SOLUTION to the entire mess is to pass the Parental Rights Amendment- http://parentalrights.org/

Leonard Henderson, co-founder
American Family Rights
http://familyrights.us
"Until Every Child Comes ome"©
"The Voice of America's Families"©

Update: Stieler Case Dismissed!

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Update: Stieler Case Dismissed! On Thursday, December 15, Michael Farris* and the Michigan legal team presented a petition to dismiss the case against Ken and Erin Stieler. You will recall that young Jacob Stieler’s parents had opted not to subject him to further chemotherapy once multiple PET scans showed that his cancer was gone, but the state Health & Human Services department filed charges of medical neglect against those loving parents. The judge took the petition under advisement for the weekend and has just reported his decision to dismiss the case. This is a tremendous victory for the Stielers and for families around the country, as it affirms once again the fundamental right of fit parents to make medical decisions for their children. The Supreme Court in 1979 voiced the presumption “that natural bonds of affection lead parents to act in the best interests of their children” (Parham v. J.R.). The dismissal of this case reaffirms that presumption in American law. Thank you for standing with us to protect children by empowering parents, as Mr. Farris works to empower Ken and Erin Stieler of Michigan, and thank you for continuing to support the Parental Rights Amendment! *ParentalRights.org is not a legal organization, does not have lawyers on staff, and is not in a position to take up parental rights cases. Mr. Farris has taken this case through his role as chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), a prominent national legal organization. ParentalRights.org is a lobbying organization whose mission is the adoption of the Parental Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

P.O. Box 1090 Purcellville, VA 20134 * (540)-751-1200 * info@parentalrights.org

SystemSuckology: The Art Of Misleading The Public

Now I'm gonna go all psycho-philosophical on you.

The following video is what we call Child Abuse Propaganda. I want you all to really watch this video. I don't mean once. I want you to analyze it, rather tear it apart in your mind. Memorize it. Break it down.

I want you to pick out particular elements. See the truth mixed with lies. See the demonetization of parents and the sympathy building for the heroic CPS Agents who now risk life and limb in the protecting acquisition and distribution of our children. Watch the body language and pay particularly close attention to the dramatic use of expression. See him make excuses for CPS failures, "We don't have the capacity legally to protect kids..." See how the selective use of statistics is used to inflate the perceptual impact upon the nice people ignorant who only have faith in the system because they have yet to experience the pleasures of a CPS Agent crawling up your ass mixed with the fact that their education comes from the TV, with the information being distributed to the television stations via the public relations departments.

Then understand why the sheep are generally supportive of the child protective industry regardless of the fraud, lies, and the unnecessary destruction of children and families.



I will give you an observation.

The number of calls to the hotline is used to create a perceptual impact upon the influential minds of the ignorant, by being used to represent the number of abused and neglected children in New York City. This does not account for the percentage of calls that are screened out and do not rise to the level where an investigation is warranted, nor does it account for the percentage of cases which are investigated but not substantiated, in which case about 3/4ths of that 60,000 calls would be thrown out the window, thus not actually being an accurate representation.

The rest is up to you.

The important thing to note is that this is a psychological attack on the ignorant. It is how they manufacture support for that which people don't understand, by fluffing the numbers as well as the severity levels and portraying the monsters as heroes. The average Joe is not going to understand what parents who are targeted by the system really go through, as this is the kind of thing that they are bombarded with through the senses of sight and sound all the time. "Something terrible could happen to a child, and there's not much we can do and bla bla bla..."

I do believe that people are generally good and want to do the right thing. The problem is that they are so easily misled as to what the right thing actually is, simply because they see crap like this.

A picture is painted.  The truth stays hidden.  Reality is half media created.

http://legallykidnapped.blogspot.com/2011/12/nbcs-melissa-russos-report-on.html

Foster Parents; Changing definitions, "Medical neglect." Part 1 of 3

Marilyn Harrison, Foster Families Examiner
Author of Standing in the Shadow of the Law

December 21, 2011

When we started this series, we told you that we were going to be examining new definitions we have seen emerging, however… FULL STORY

A December Greeting from Michael Farris

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A December Greeting from Michael Farris As 2011 winds down and we look back on the last 12 months, I want to extend my heartfelt thanks for your generous support of our efforts and for your confidence in the mission of ParentalRights.org. I’m grateful that when it comes to protecting families, you know the difference between talk and action – and you are taking action. Your support, whether financial or otherwise, has helped us make needed headway in our battle for parents’ rights. You’ve helped us make this a national issue, and you’ve put us in a good position for engaging Congress with the Amendment in 2012. You and I know that America is at a critical juncture for parental rights. Right now, the legal right of fit parents to raise their kids is foggy at best. With no clear constitutional standard for parents’ rights, the courts are confused. And that leaves families at the mercy of a judge’s whim. But you stand with us against the trend that says “a government bureaucrat or a foreign committee decides what’s best for your child.” Like me, you believe that you the parents, not bureaucrats, should have the biggest role in your child’s life. So you have fueled our successes. Thanks to you, in the last year we: released a gripping new docudrama and grassroots tool revealing the erosion of parental rights – Overruled: Government Invasion of Your Parental Rights; blocked passage of the U.N.’s Convention on the Rights of the Child in the U.S. Senate for the current Congress by securing 37 cosponsors on SR99; mobilized volunteers to build our largest grassroots army ever; successfully passed resolutions calling for the Amendment in three more states – Montana, Idaho, and Florida; and successfully blocked attempts by anti-parent organizations to pass pro-CRC resolutions in Rhode Island and Illinois. I am especially excited about the opportunities our new movie Overruled opens up to advance parental rights. You see, our biggest challenge is reaching people with our message. While we already know (thanks to a 2010 Zogby poll) that an astounding 93% of Americans agree with the historic definition of parental rights, most of them don’t realize their rights are in serious danger. Overruled is an excellent tool to help us – and supporters like you – overcome this publicity challenge. In just the first couple of weeks the film had over 82,300 views online and much positive feedback. With you we are hard at work to spread the film to as many people as possible. With your help, ParentalRights.org is leading the movement to preserve parents’ rights in the text of the Constitution. That’s why your continued support is so essential to our mission. As my staff and I look ahead to 2012, we have to calculate how much funding is available for each of our crucial programs. A special one-time gift* would help finance the objectives we’ve set in place to pass the Amendment. Please take a minute to send a generous year-end donation to ParentalRights.org today. Your gift will help us achieve our goals for the new year as we work toward passage of the Parental Rights Amendment in Congress. I’m confident that with your help we will succeed. With my warmest regards for a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, Michael Farris President *Because ParentalRights.org is a 501(c)4 lobbying organization, contributions made cannot be counted as charitable donations for federal tax purposes.

P.O. Box 1090 Purcellville, VA 20134 * (540)-751-1200 * info@parentalrights.org

Founders Quotes

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." --Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18, 1781

Liberty Quotes

"Government is a parasite -- a cancer that by nature tries to spread deeper into society. Those who want to run others' lives won't give up and start minding their own business." -- Harry Browne (1933-2006) American libertarian writer, politician, and free-market investment analyst. Libertarian candidate for US President 1996 & 2000 Source: Pamphlet: Harry Browne, Why I’m Running for President. 1995.
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Harry.Browne.Quote.2723

"The whole gospel of Karl Marx can be summed up in a single sentence: Hate the man who is better off than you are. Never under any circumstances admit that his success may be due to his own efforts, to the productive contribution he has made to the whole community. Always attribute his success to the exploitation, the cheating, the more or less open robbery of others. Never under any circumstances admit that your own failure may be owing to your own weakness, or that the failure of anyone else may be due to his own defects - his laziness, incompetence, improvidence, or stupidity." -- Henry Hazlitt (1894-1993) American economist, philosopher,literary critic and journalist
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Henry.Hazlitt.Quote.22C3

"[If Parliament] may take from me one shilling in the pound, what security have I for the other nineteen?" -- Richard Henry Lee (1732-1794) Founding Father
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Richard.Henry.Lee.Quote.22F6

Youth counselor charged after allegedly raping 17-year-old boy

WHAS11.com
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM
Updated yesterday at 12:22 AM

Kentucky - A counselor at a youth services center is now charged with raping a 17-year-old boy.

Brooke Briscoe was arrested Monday morning at her home in Okolona and police say there could be other victims. The Bullitt County Sheriff's Department says they became aware of the allegations last week from Child Protective Services.

Police say the crime happened one time at Sunrise Children's Services in Mount Washington.

The suspect works at the home for troubled boys and police say their relationship crossed the line.

“We've only charged her with one count each it is an ongoing investigation and we're still investigating to see if there could be any other charges,” said Scotty Mcgaha of the Bullitt County Sheriff’s Office.

Police say the legal age of consent in Kentucky is 16-years-old but since Briscoe was a caretaker for the boy, it is illegal.

Sunrise Children's Services released a statement Monday afternoon:

"We work, every day, to protect the children in our care and provide them a better future. We take this situation very seriously and are shocked and saddened to find out the allegations are true. But we are grateful that someone stepped forward to alert us to the situation so we could stop it."

She has been suspended from her job at the center until the investigation is complete.

http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Youth-counselor-charged-after-allegedly-raping-17-year-old-boy-135877643.html

Compared to the pandemic of homosexual foster men that has been going on, THIS story is mild to the point of almost not being news.  Just NORMAL immorality.

Woman sues Calif. agencies over abuse

Published: Dec. 19, 2011 at 3:39 PM

SACRAMENTO, Dec. 19 (UPI) -- A 19-year-old woman who escaped alleged torture in a Sacramento home says she's seeking damages from Child Protective Services and the city's school district.

Lawyers for Lilly Manning filed a claim against Sacramento County's Child Protective Services and the Sacramento City Unified School District alleging child welfare workers and school employees failed to protect her from the violent household into which she was adopted, the Sacramento Bee reported Monday.

"Lilly and her siblings were kept in a virtual prisoner-of-war camp where they were repeatedly, systematically and sadistically beaten and tortured by their adoptive mother, Lillian Manning-Horvath, and her husband, Joseph Horvath," the claim alleges.

Recently released CPS and Juvenile Court documents show a CPS social worker aggressively promoted the Manning children's adoption in the 1990s and lavished praise on Lillian Manning-Horvath while dismissing alarms raised by others, the Bee reported.

Manning's claim also alleges six workers associated with the school district failed to report their own suspicions of abuse as required by law.

"I feel like this is something I should do," Manning told the Bee. "Somebody should pay. Hopefully this is a message to everybody to do their job right."

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/12/19/Woman-sues-Calif-agencies-over-abuse/UPI-98281324327164

Court Upholds Termination Of Soldier’s Parental Rights

By John Lyon, Arkansas News Bureau
Thursday, December 8, 2011 10:00 AM CST

LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas — The Arkansas Court of Appeals on Wednesday upheld the state Department of Human Services’ decision to terminate the parental rights of an Arkansas man who was serving in the Army in Iraq when his wife’s boyfriend severely injured his 5-month-old son.

A six-judge panel of the court ruled 5-1 that Edward Glover’s appeal of the ruling was without merit. The dissenting judge said the appeal did have merit because Pulaski County circuit judges exceeded their authority in requiring Glover to “jump through various hoops” to retain custody of his son even though he had done nothing wrong.

According to the judges’ opinions, it was discovered in April 2009 that Glover’s son had been the victim of severe abuse. The boy had bruising to his scalp and around his eyes, retinal hemorrhages, perforation of his stomach, a liver contusion, a possible lung contusion, three rib fractures and burns in several places.

Glover was serving in Iraq at the time. DHS and the circuit court determined that the abuser was Glover’s wife’s lover and that Glover’s wife knew that her boyfriend had a history of domestic violence but chose to discount it. The parental rights of Glover’s wife were terminated.

Glover obtained emergency leave and returned to Arkansas in May 2009. He attended a series of hearings, presided over by a series of judges, and was given a long list of orders to comply with, including obtaining a psychological examination, attending parenting classes, attending anger-management classes and submitting to DNA tests and random drug and alcohol screenings, among other things.

Glover’s parental rights were terminated in February of this year for failing to comply with the orders. His lawyer filed a “no merit” appeal — meaning the lawyer believed the appeal was without merit but filed it at Glover’s insistence — and asked to be allowed to withdraw from the case.

On Wednesday, the Court of Appeals granted the lawyer’s request and affirmed the order terminating Glover’s parental rights, finding that the appeal was “wholly without merit.”

Judge John Pittman wrote the majority opinion, with Judges Robert Gladwin, John Robbins, Robin Wynne and David Glover concurring.

Judge Josephine Hart wrote in the dissent that the circuit judges had no authority to impose the requirements on Glover.

“The reason (for the judges’ orders) was the criminal battery of the child by a person who was engaged in an adulterous relationship with the child’s mother while Mr. Glover was deployed more than 4,000 miles away in the armed forces of his country,” Hart wrote.

Pittman said in the majority opinion that “the dissenting judge’s passionate outrage is noteworthy,” but he said the issues she raised were not raised in any of the circuit court hearings and could not be considered for the first time on appeal.

http://www.boonevilledemocrat.com/articles/2011/12/09/news/news10.txt

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New York State OCA sets forth guidelines for open access to Family Courts

Daniel Weaver, Albany CPS and Family Court Examiner
December 20, 2011

In a recent memo to the administrative judges, chief administrative judge of the New York State Office of Court Administration, Justice A. Gail Prudenti,set forth guidelines for compliance with Rule 205.4 of the Uniform Rules of the Family Court

The guidelines are as follows: FULL STORY

Federal Mandatory Child Abuse Reporting Bill Stalled

December 20, 2011

HSLDA urges opposition to a new U.S. Senate bill that would make every American adult a mandatory reporter of child abuse and neglect. This bill would create a police-state reporting environment and could actually harm at-risk children. While the bill appears to have stalled, we encourage you to read more about this dangerous piece of federal legislation. Read more >> http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/201112150.asp

Budget Chart Details Final Spending Levels

Budget Chart Details Final Spending Levels by timbricelandbetts

CWLA released it's final budget chart for FY 2012 today.  This chart includes 56 seperate federal funding streams that taken together make up the federal resources avialable for all child welfare and related federal funding. In addition to the final spending level for FY 2012  the chart includes the final amount for FY 2011, and the spending levels proposed by President Obama and the primary congressional appropriations legislation. Aside from the chart more federal budget information is available at the CWLA These Cuts Won't Heal website.

timbricelandbetts | December 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM 

ASFA '97- A "Bullet to the head" of America's parents

ASFA '97- A "Bullet to the head" of America's parents

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365 Ways to Drive a Liberal Crazy

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Next time a liberal upbraids you
for "maintaining narrow, traditional moral values" remind him that "tradition" is simply the inherited wisdom of our ancestors, which keeps us from making moral fools of ourselves, and anyway, which of these traditional moral values would he flat-out like to do away with: compassion, fidelity, honesty, restraint, deference, courage, chivalry, self-denial... (Actually, all of them, but he won't be able to say that.)

Foster Parents: Changing definitions, "Preponderance of evidence"

Marilyn Harrison, Foster Families Examiner
Author of Standing in the Shadow of the Law

In this series, we are examining several different definitions emerging within the foster parents community. FULL STORY

Mother Sues DHS for Taking Her Child Under False Allegations

December 19, 2011
By Trish Mehaffey, Reporter
By Aaron Hepker

IOWA CITY — A Guernsey mother filed a lawsuit Tuesday against the Iowa Department of Human Services for placing her 5-year-old daughter in foster care based on a false allegation and asks the court to prevent this from happening again.

Jessica Wilbur, 20, filed the civil lawsuit in Johnson County District Court, claiming Paul Lafauce, a DHS abuse investigator, and DHS Director Charles Krogmeier violated her constitutional rights by placing her child in foster care based on document signed by the child’s non-custodial father Robert Nino of Marshalltown, a convicted sex offender.

Nino took the 5-year-old girl for a weekend visit in November and instead of returning her to Wilbur, he kept her and filed a false sexual abuse complaint against Wilbur with the department, according to petition filed Nov. 13. Nino then signed a voluntary foster care placement agreement with DHS and the child entered foster care for two weeks.

The sexual abuse allegation was false and no child abuse investigation was filed by DHS, but the department refused to return the child until after the article about the case ran in The Gazette, Natalie Cronk, Wilbur’s attorney, said.

Cronk said DHS contacted Wilbur at that point and said her child would be returned if she signed a plan to assure the child’s safety. The plan had nothing to do with the initial allegations.

Cronk then went with Wilbur to the foster care home of Nino’s sister, who wasn’t a qualified foster parent, to take the child home after DHS couldn’t produce an order granting authority to restrain or withhold the child from her mother.

The Johnson County DHS office has retaliated against Wilbur after she took her daughter home by proceeding with a baseless investigation and has threatened additional action, the lawsuit contends.

Roger Munns, DHS spokesman, said Tuesday after reading the lawsuit that he had to consult with department officials and didn’t think he could comment.

The suit asks the court to declare the DHS policy of taking children away from their parents by obtaining signatures on voluntary foster care placement from parents with no custodial rights as a violation of Iowa law and constitutional principles.

It also asks for punitive damages against LaFauce.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/80757467.html

I left a comment on that story-

Just the normal everyday criminal operation of CPS.

The truth is CPS needs to be defunded, shut down, and most of it's agents put in prison for their Federal Crimes, several of which are Capital offenses-

http://familyrights.us/bin/CPS_violates_these_every_case.htm

Leonard Henderson, co-founder.
American Family Rights.
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Liberty Quotes

"Mankind is at its best when it is most free. This will be clear if we grasp the principle of liberty. We must recall that the basic principle is freedom of choice, which saying many have on their lips, but few in their mind." -- Dante Alighieri (1265-1320) Italian Poet
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Dante.Alighieri.Quote.221A

"It is precisely this clinging to victimhood as a means of demonstrating one’s virtue and advancing one’s well-being that has led us into a society in which welfare and quotas are “civil rights,” government handouts are “entitlements,” and payment to girls having babies out of wedlock are “compassionate,” while hard-working, ambitious people are “greedy,” punishment of crime is “oppression,” and an independent thinker who stands for courage and self-reliance is dismissed as an “Uncle Tom.”" -- J. Tucker Alford Source: Heroics, letter to The American Spectator, p. 72, February, 1996.
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/J..Tucker.Alford.Quote.23A7